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Farokh
Good day everyone.

I'm fairly new to ASSP but am setting it up to replace an existing (but no longer supported) spam solution I've been using.

My question concerns using DNS based blacklists and whitelists. I have two sets of DNS based lists running on bind. One is a blacklist and one is a whitelist. What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range. For example (using non-routeable IPs):

Blacklist - 10.0.0.0/8
Whitelist - 10.100.23.15/32

ASSP flags anything coming from 10.100.23.15 as spam, even though it's whitelisted. When I run the real IP through the mail analyzer, I get the following (replacing the actual IP with 10.100.23.15):

• URIBL check: 'OK'
• RBLCacheCheck returned OK for 10.100.23.15: inserted as not ok at 2017-03-15 11:58:22 , listed by bl.mcf.com{127.0.0.2} - message score: 10
 • RBLScore: bl.mcf.com -> 127.0.0.2 -> 10
• 10.100.23.15 is in PTRCache: status=PTR OK - mail.tcmsp.net
• 10.100.23.15 is in RWLCache: status=not listed
• 10.100.23.15 SenderBase: status=not classified, ...

If I use nslookup to lookup ip address in the whitelist, I get a 127.0.0.3 return value, which is what I expect.

Do I have something configured incorrectly that is preventing the whitelist from overriding the blacklist?

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Farokh
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Re: Blacklist vs Whitelist...

Thomas Eckardt/eck
check

- RBLWL
- denySMTPConnectionsFrom
- denySMTPConnectionsFromAlways


>
What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range.

I don't recommend to do it this way.
Let's say you added 10.0.0.0/8 to denySMTPConnectionsFrom and you use the IP action dialog to remove 10.1.1.1 from this list, assp will modify this line in to

##########
# modified - removed: 10.1.1.1 from >10.0.0.0/8<
# low  CIDR: 10.0.0.0/16 10.1.0.0/24 10.1.1.0/32
# high CIDR: 10.1.1.2/31 10.1.1.4/30 10.1.1.8/29 10.1.1.16/28 10.1.1.32/27 10.1.1.64/26 10.1.1.128/25 10.1.2.0/23 10.1.4.0/22 10.1.8.0/21 10.1.16.0/20 10.1.32.0/19 10.1.64.0/18 10.1.128.0/17 10.2.0.0/15 10.4.0.0/14 10.8.0.0/13 10.16.0.0/12 10.32.0.0/11 10.64.0.0/10 10.128.0.0/9
##########
10.0.0.0-10.1.1.0
10.1.1.2-10.255.255.255

So keep your lists logical clean!

Thomas




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Datum:        15.03.2017 18:13
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Good day everyone.

I'm fairly new to ASSP but am setting it up to replace an existing (but no longer supported) spam solution I've been using.

My question concerns using DNS based blacklists and whitelists. I have two sets of DNS based lists running on bind. One is a blacklist and one is a whitelist. What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range. For example (using non-routeable IPs):

Blacklist - 10.0.0.0/8
Whitelist - 10.100.23.15/32

ASSP flags anything coming from 10.100.23.15 as spam, even though it's whitelisted. When I run the real IP through the mail analyzer, I get the following (replacing the actual IP with 10.100.23.15):

• URIBL check: 'OK'
• RBLCacheCheck returned OK for 10.100.23.15: inserted as not ok at 2017-03-15 11:58:22 , listed by bl.mcf.com{127.0.0.2} - message score: 10
 • RBLScore: bl.mcf.com -> 127.0.0.2 -> 10
• 10.100.23.15 is in PTRCache: status=PTR OK - mail.tcmsp.net
• 10.100.23.15 is in RWLCache: status=not listed
• 10.100.23.15 SenderBase: status=not classified, ...

If I use nslookup to lookup ip address in the whitelist, I get a 127.0.0.3 return value, which is what I expect.

Do I have something configured incorrectly that is preventing the whitelist from overriding the blacklist?

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Farokh
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Farokh
Thanks, but I may not have been clear enough in my original post. I'm using a database to maintain my blacklist and whitelist. Whenever I make changes, I export them in a format for bind to use replacing the two zone files completely, and then relying on blacklist and whitelist DNS lookups to accept or reject emails.

My RBLWL is off.
denySMTPConnectionsFrom is a file with just a couple of lines in it.
denySMTPConnectionsFromAlways is the default file that comes with ASSP - I haven't made any changes to it.

Again, I'm trying to do this completely using DNS based blacklisting and whitelisting.

Thanks.

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Thomas Eckardt wrote:
check

- RBLWL
- denySMTPConnectionsFrom
- denySMTPConnectionsFromAlways


>
What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range.

I don't recommend to do it this way.
Let's say you added 10.0.0.0/8 to denySMTPConnectionsFrom and you use the IP action dialog to remove 10.1.1.1 from this list, assp will modify this line in to

##########
# modified - removed: 10.1.1.1 from >10.0.0.0/8<
# low  CIDR: 10.0.0.0/16 10.1.0.0/24 10.1.1.0/32
# high CIDR: 10.1.1.2/31 10.1.1.4/30 10.1.1.8/29 10.1.1.16/28 10.1.1.32/27 10.1.1.64/26 10.1.1.128/25 10.1.2.0/23 10.1.4.0/22 10.1.8.0/21 10.1.16.0/20 10.1.32.0/19 10.1.64.0/18 10.1.128.0/17 10.2.0.0/15 10.4.0.0/14 10.8.0.0/13 10.16.0.0/12 10.32.0.0/11 10.64.0.0/10 10.128.0.0/9
##########
10.0.0.0-10.1.1.0
10.1.1.2-10.255.255.255

So keep your lists logical clean!

Thomas




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Datum:        15.03.2017 18:13
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Good day everyone.

I'm fairly new to ASSP but am setting it up to replace an existing (but no longer supported) spam solution I've been using.

My question concerns using DNS based blacklists and whitelists. I have two sets of DNS based lists running on bind. One is a blacklist and one is a whitelist. What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range. For example (using non-routeable IPs):

Blacklist - 10.0.0.0/8
Whitelist - 10.100.23.15/32

ASSP flags anything coming from 10.100.23.15 as spam, even though it's whitelisted. When I run the real IP through the mail analyzer, I get the following (replacing the actual IP with 10.100.23.15):

• URIBL check: 'OK'
• RBLCacheCheck returned OK for 10.100.23.15: inserted as not ok at 2017-03-15 11:58:22 , listed by bl.mcf.com{127.0.0.2} - message score: 10
 • RBLScore: bl.mcf.com -> 127.0.0.2 -> 10
• 10.100.23.15 is in PTRCache: status=PTR OK - mail.tcmsp.net
• 10.100.23.15 is in RWLCache: status=not listed
• 10.100.23.15 SenderBase: status=not classified, ...

If I use nslookup to lookup ip address in the whitelist, I get a 127.0.0.3 return value, which is what I expect.

Do I have something configured incorrectly that is preventing the whitelist from overriding the blacklist?

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Farokh
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Re: Blacklist vs Whitelist...

Thomas Eckardt/eck
have a look in to these two GUI sections

DNSBL - RBL Validation
Whitelisting and RWL(DNSWL)

(I think you already done it)

The RWL check is done first and if RBLWL is OFF, the RBL check is skipped for the IP if RWL found a match.

Notice, that the analyzer shows all results without any dependency to get all available information for the admin.

>• 10.100.23.15 is in RWLCache: status=not listed

Remove this cache entry and check again - possibly first using a DNS lookup.
Blacklist - should report listed and Whitelist should report listed (127.0.0.1).

As long as there is a valid cache entry, no new RWL query will be done!

Thomas




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Datum:        16.03.2017 12:36
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Thanks, but I may not have been clear enough in my original post. I'm using a database to maintain my blacklist and whitelist. Whenever I make changes, I export them in a format for bind to use replacing the two zone files completely, and then relying on blacklist and whitelist DNS lookups to accept or reject emails.

My RBLWL is off.
denySMTPConnectionsFrom is a file with just a couple of lines in it.
denySMTPConnectionsFromAlways is the default file that comes with ASSP - I haven't made any changes to it.

Again, I'm trying to do this completely using DNS based blacklisting and whitelisting.

Thanks.


Farokh
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Thomas Eckardt wrote:

check

- RBLWL

- denySMTPConnectionsFrom

- denySMTPConnectionsFromAlways



>
What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range.

I don't recommend to do it this way.
Let's say you added 10.0.0.0/8 to denySMTPConnectionsFrom and you use the IP action dialog to remove 10.1.1.1 from this list, assp will modify this line in to


##########

# modified - removed: 10.1.1.1 from >10.0.0.0/8<

# low  CIDR: 10.0.0.0/16 10.1.0.0/24 10.1.1.0/32

# high CIDR: 10.1.1.2/31 10.1.1.4/30 10.1.1.8/29 10.1.1.16/28 10.1.1.32/27 10.1.1.64/26 10.1.1.128/25 10.1.2.0/23 10.1.4.0/22 10.1.8.0/21 10.1.16.0/20 10.1.32.0/19 10.1.64.0/18 10.1.128.0/17 10.2.0.0/15 10.4.0.0/14 10.8.0.0/13 10.16.0.0/12 10.32.0.0/11 10.64.0.0/10 10.128.0.0/9

##########

10.0.0.0-10.1.1.0
10.1.1.2-10.255.255.255


So keep your lists logical clean!


Thomas





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Good day everyone.

I'm fairly new to ASSP but am setting it up to replace an existing (but no longer supported) spam solution I've been using.

My question concerns using DNS based blacklists and whitelists. I have two sets of DNS based lists running on bind. One is a blacklist and one is a whitelist. What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range. For example (using non-routeable IPs):

Blacklist - 10.0.0.0/8
Whitelist - 10.100.23.15/32

ASSP flags anything coming from 10.100.23.15 as spam, even though it's whitelisted. When I run the real IP through the mail analyzer, I get the following (replacing the actual IP with 10.100.23.15):

• URIBL check: 'OK'
• RBLCacheCheck returned OK for 10.100.23.15: inserted as not ok at 2017-03-15 11:58:22 , listed by bl.mcf.com{127.0.0.2} - message score: 10
 • RBLScore: bl.mcf.com -> 127.0.0.2 -> 10
• 10.100.23.15 is in PTRCache: status=PTR OK - mail.tcmsp.net
• 10.100.23.15 is in RWLCache: status=not listed
• 10.100.23.15 SenderBase: status=not classified, ...

If I use nslookup to lookup ip address in the whitelist, I get a 127.0.0.3 return value, which is what I expect.

Do I have something configured incorrectly that is preventing the whitelist from overriding the blacklist?

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Farokh
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Re: Blacklist vs Whitelist...

Farokh
OK, ValidateRBL is set to block.

I took the WL related lines from the config and am pasted them here:

whiteListedIPs:=file:files/ipwl.txt
whiteRe:=
whiteListedDomains:=file:files/whitedomains.txt
ValidateRWL:=
RWLwhitelisting:=
RWLServiceProvider:=file:files/dnsrws.txt
RWLmaxreplies:=4
RWLminhits:=1
RWLmaxtime:=10
noRWL:=
AddRWLHeader:=1
RWLCacheInterval:=7
WhitelistPrivacyLevel:=0
MaxWhitelistDays:=365
WhitelistOnly:=
NoAutoWhite:=
NoAutoWhiteAdresses:=
NotGreedyWhitelist:=0
GreedyWhitelistAdditions:=1
WhitelistLocalOnly:=
WhitelistLocalFromOnly:=1
WhitelistAuth:=
UpdateWhitelist:=3600

The issue is that this appears to happen for any IP address that is listed in both a blacklist range and a whitelist based on DNS, the whitelist seems to be ignored.

Thanks.

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Thomas Eckardt wrote:
have a look in to these two GUI sections

DNSBL - RBL Validation
Whitelisting and RWL(DNSWL)

(I think you already done it)

The RWL check is done first and if RBLWL is OFF, the RBL check is skipped for the IP if RWL found a match.

Notice, that the analyzer shows all results without any dependency to get all available information for the admin.

>• 10.100.23.15 is in RWLCache: status=not listed

Remove this cache entry and check again - possibly first using a DNS lookup.
Blacklist - should report listed and Whitelist should report listed (127.0.0.1).

As long as there is a valid cache entry, no new RWL query will be done!

Thomas




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Datum:        16.03.2017 12:36
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Thanks, but I may not have been clear enough in my original post. I'm using a database to maintain my blacklist and whitelist. Whenever I make changes, I export them in a format for bind to use replacing the two zone files completely, and then relying on blacklist and whitelist DNS lookups to accept or reject emails.

My RBLWL is off.
denySMTPConnectionsFrom is a file with just a couple of lines in it.
denySMTPConnectionsFromAlways is the default file that comes with ASSP - I haven't made any changes to it.

Again, I'm trying to do this completely using DNS based blacklisting and whitelisting.

Thanks.


Farokh
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Thomas Eckardt wrote:

check

- RBLWL

- denySMTPConnectionsFrom

- denySMTPConnectionsFromAlways



>
What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range.

I don't recommend to do it this way.
Let's say you added 10.0.0.0/8 to denySMTPConnectionsFrom and you use the IP action dialog to remove 10.1.1.1 from this list, assp will modify this line in to


##########

# modified - removed: 10.1.1.1 from >10.0.0.0/8<

# low  CIDR: 10.0.0.0/16 10.1.0.0/24 10.1.1.0/32

# high CIDR: 10.1.1.2/31 10.1.1.4/30 10.1.1.8/29 10.1.1.16/28 10.1.1.32/27 10.1.1.64/26 10.1.1.128/25 10.1.2.0/23 10.1.4.0/22 10.1.8.0/21 10.1.16.0/20 10.1.32.0/19 10.1.64.0/18 10.1.128.0/17 10.2.0.0/15 10.4.0.0/14 10.8.0.0/13 10.16.0.0/12 10.32.0.0/11 10.64.0.0/10 10.128.0.0/9

##########

10.0.0.0-10.1.1.0
10.1.1.2-10.255.255.255


So keep your lists logical clean!


Thomas





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[Assp-user] Blacklist vs Whitelist...




Good day everyone.

I'm fairly new to ASSP but am setting it up to replace an existing (but no longer supported) spam solution I've been using.

My question concerns using DNS based blacklists and whitelists. I have two sets of DNS based lists running on bind. One is a blacklist and one is a whitelist. What I will do is add a range of IPs to the blacklist (say a /24 or /16) and then whitelist specific IPs within that range. For example (using non-routeable IPs):

Blacklist - 10.0.0.0/8
Whitelist - 10.100.23.15/32

ASSP flags anything coming from 10.100.23.15 as spam, even though it's whitelisted. When I run the real IP through the mail analyzer, I get the following (replacing the actual IP with 10.100.23.15):

• URIBL check: 'OK'
• RBLCacheCheck returned OK for 10.100.23.15: inserted as not ok at 2017-03-15 11:58:22 , listed by bl.mcf.com{127.0.0.2} - message score: 10
 • RBLScore: bl.mcf.com -> 127.0.0.2 -> 10
• 10.100.23.15 is in PTRCache: status=PTR OK - mail.tcmsp.net
• 10.100.23.15 is in RWLCache: status=not listed
• 10.100.23.15 SenderBase: status=not classified, ...

If I use nslookup to lookup ip address in the whitelist, I get a 127.0.0.3 return value, which is what I expect.

Do I have something configured incorrectly that is preventing the whitelist from overriding the blacklist?

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Farokh
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