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Doug Traylor
Mr. Calvi,

Haven't heard from you since your post in July.
Are you still involved with ASSP?
Is there more work being done on an official 1.1.2 beta 2?

I am currently using 1.1.2.b1 and am loving it!  I am using the user
validation via LDAP and flat file and using SPF rejection and many entries
in the access control.  Most of all the delaying feature has significantly
reduced the number of spams and viruses hitting our mail server.

Thanks!

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Re: Paging John Calvi

Przemek Czerkas
Upcomming features like URIBL, RateLimit with auto-blocking, Corpus management, session logging, traffic stats and few other things should justify slight lag :-)

Przemek

> Mr. Calvi,
>
> Haven't heard from you since your post in July.
> Are you still involved with ASSP?
> Is there more work being done on an official 1.1.2 beta 2?
>
> I am currently using 1.1.2.b1 and am loving it!  I am using the user
> validation via LDAP and flat file and using SPF rejection and many entries
> in the access control.  Most of all the delaying feature has significantly
> reduced the number of spams and viruses hitting our mail server.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Doug Traylor



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Re: Paging John Calvi

Doug Traylor
Great!  Thanks for the update.

Haven't heard from anyone regarding development for some time.

Do the developers keep in contact with each other through private emails or
are they working in silence?

Please keep us posted, as time allows, with minor snippets to the list or
forums regarding progress.

Doug Traylor


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Upcomming features like URIBL, RateLimit with auto-blocking, Corpus
management, session logging, traffic stats and few other things should
justify slight lag :-)

Przemek

> Mr. Calvi,
>
> Haven't heard from you since your post in July.
> Are you still involved with ASSP?
> Is there more work being done on an official 1.1.2 beta 2?
>
> I am currently using 1.1.2.b1 and am loving it!  I am using the user
> validation via LDAP and flat file and using SPF rejection and many entries
> in the access control.  Most of all the delaying feature has significantly
> reduced the number of spams and viruses hitting our mail server.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Doug Traylor



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Re: Paging John Calvi

Micheal Espinola Jr
In reply to this post by Przemek Czerkas
Can I make an additional request to add to that list (it should be
easy)?:  Verbose spam tagging.

For those that allow spam-tagged emails to still enter our orgs (where
complete blocking is not an option), it would be nice to have have
[spam-spf] or [spam-rbl] instead of just [spam] as a subject prefix.
As users get smarter, this becomes a logical progression for spam
self-management.  Other commercial anti-spam applications are already
doing similar.

And, while I have your attention   :-)   How about a "new-senders"
list?  In using other anti-spam products, I have found this to be very
beneficial when dealing with end-users.  This helps deter user-calls
asking why a (to them) ham got flagged as a spam.

i.e.  A new messages from someone not (yet) on the whitelist comes in.
 Because of message content (or lack of), it gets flagged as a spam
(until the user replies, auto-whitelisting, etc).  When inbound.
instead of being flagged as a spam (or out-right blocked), it gets
tagged as "[spam new-sender]" (or something similar) - so it makes it
to the desktop, and the user knows this is the first time this person
has tried to email them - giving them the opportunity to whitelist
them, and lose the confusion for them as to why a message they wanted
to flagged as a spam.

This of course only being used when the message is simply flagged as a
spam, and not triggering SPF, RBL, etc...



Thanks for listening to my rambling.  :-)


On 2/21/06, Przemek Czerkas <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Upcomming features like URIBL, RateLimit with auto-blocking, Corpus management, session logging, traffic stats and few other things should justify slight lag :-)
>
> Przemek
>
> > Mr. Calvi,
> >
> > Haven't heard from you since your post in July.
> > Are you still involved with ASSP?
> > Is there more work being done on an official 1.1.2 beta 2?
> >
> > I am currently using 1.1.2.b1 and am loving it!  I am using the user
> > validation via LDAP and flat file and using SPF rejection and many entries
> > in the access control.  Most of all the delaying feature has significantly
> > reduced the number of spams and viruses hitting our mail server.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Doug Traylor
>
>
>
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Przemek Czerkas
> For those that allow spam-tagged emails to still enter our orgs (where
> complete blocking is not an option), it would be nice to have have
> [spam-spf] or [spam-rbl] instead of just [spam] as a subject prefix.
> As users get smarter, this becomes a logical progression for spam
> self-management.  Other commercial anti-spam applications are already
> doing similar.

This looks reasonable to me.

> And, while I have your attention   :-)   How about a "new-senders"
> list?  In using other anti-spam products, I have found this to be very
> beneficial when dealing with end-users.  This helps deter user-calls
> asking why a (to them) ham got flagged as a spam.
>
> i.e.  A new messages from someone not (yet) on the whitelist comes in.
> Because of message content (or lack of), it gets flagged as a spam
> (until the user replies, auto-whitelisting, etc).  When inbound.
> instead of being flagged as a spam (or out-right blocked), it gets
> tagged as "[spam new-sender]" (or something similar) - so it makes it
> to the desktop, and the user knows this is the first time this person
> has tried to email them - giving them the opportunity to whitelist
> them, and lose the confusion for them as to why a message they wanted
> to flagged as a spam.

> This of course only being used when the message is simply flagged as a
> spam, and not triggering SPF, RBL, etc...

Hmm, but how to recognize not-new-senders, not (yet) on whitelist? Rather not from spoofed 'mail from:'
Looks like you are describing auto-whitelist, which happens to be there :-)

> Thanks for listening to my rambling.  :-)

Thanks for new ideas !



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Re: Paging John Calvi

Bill Christensen
>  > And, while I have your attention   :-)   How about a "new-senders"
>>  list?  In using other anti-spam products, I have found this to be very
>>  beneficial when dealing with end-users.  This helps deter user-calls
>>  asking why a (to them) ham got flagged as a spam.
>>
>>  i.e.  A new messages from someone not (yet) on the whitelist comes in.
>>  Because of message content (or lack of), it gets flagged as a spam
>>  (until the user replies, auto-whitelisting, etc).  When inbound.
>>  instead of being flagged as a spam (or out-right blocked), it gets
>>  tagged as "[spam new-sender]" (or something similar) - so it makes it
>>  to the desktop, and the user knows this is the first time this person
>>  has tried to email them - giving them the opportunity to whitelist
>>  them, and lose the confusion for them as to why a message they wanted
>>  to flagged as a spam.
>
>>  This of course only being used when the message is simply flagged as a
>>  spam, and not triggering SPF, RBL, etc...
>
>Hmm, but how to recognize not-new-senders, not (yet) on whitelist?
>Rather not from spoofed 'mail from:'
>Looks like you are describing auto-whitelist, which happens to be there :-)
>

Sounds to me like the Spam Lovers list would work for that... You're
talking about mail to new users on your system, right?  Just put them
on Spam Lovers list (they get the message but it's tagged) and when
they're comfortable that they're not getting any ham mixed in, they
can request that you put them on full blocking.

I wonder if it would be possible to have a reply address that they
could use to toggle themselves on or off the spam lovers list?  Maybe
the unprocessed list too.  It would need to include some sort of
security - similar to a session variable for web surfing - which
would insure that a spoofer couldn't set it incorrectly.  It could be
included in the header perhaps, and would expire after some given
amount of time.


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Re: Paging John Calvi

Fritz Borgstedt

>I wonder if it would be possible to have a reply address that they
>could use to toggle themselves on or off the spam lovers list?  Maybe
>the unprocessed list too.  It would need to include some sort of
>security - similar to a session variable for web surfing - which
>would insure that a spoofer couldn't set it incorrectly.  It could be
>included in the header perhaps, and would expire after some given
>amount of time.

The security problem is similar to add/delete white/redlist. In my
installation these adresses cannot be reached from the outside without
authentication.

Fritz



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Re: Paging John Calvi

Bill Christensen
At 8:54 AM +0100 2/22/06, Fritz Borgstedt wrote:

>  >I wonder if it would be possible to have a reply address that they
>>could use to toggle themselves on or off the spam lovers list?  Maybe
>>the unprocessed list too.  It would need to include some sort of
>>security - similar to a session variable for web surfing - which
>>would insure that a spoofer couldn't set it incorrectly.  It could be
>>included in the header perhaps, and would expire after some given
>>amount of time.
>
>The security problem is similar to add/delete white/redlist. In my
>installation these adresses cannot be reached from the outside without
>authentication.

Ah, right.  I had forgotten about that.  So a simple command like
Spam Filter Off/Spam Filter On or a pair of addresses like spam-on@
and spam-off@ could do it.

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